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===Organization===
 
===Organization===
  
==What is rust?==
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=What is rust?=
  
===What causes rust?===
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==What causes rust?==
 
  -- Need more background here. Plus info on why newer cars don't rust nearly as badly, and on salt/winter driving conditions. Review this article: http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/rust/rust.html .
 
  -- Need more background here. Plus info on why newer cars don't rust nearly as badly, and on salt/winter driving conditions. Review this article: http://www.metalwebnews.com/howto/rust/rust.html .
  
==How to remove rust==
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=How to remove rust=
  
=Assessment=
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==Assessment==
 
assessment -- what's the part? can it be removed? soaked? how large? body panel?; how bad is the rust? tricks for assessing
 
assessment -- what's the part? can it be removed? soaked? how large? body panel?; how bad is the rust? tricks for assessing
 
tools/materials/methods selection -- consider time and skill. can weld? how valuable is project? have sandblaster? how much money can spend?
 
tools/materials/methods selection -- consider time and skill. can weld? how valuable is project? have sandblaster? how much money can spend?
  
===Removing rust from body panels===
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==Mechanical removal of rust==
 
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===Mechanical removal of rust===
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mechanical removal (flapper discs, wire wheels, etc.)
 
mechanical removal (flapper discs, wire wheels, etc.)
  
===Chemical removal of rust===
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===Media blasting rust===
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*Sand is not recommended for media blasting panels. It acts like little hammers, warping panels with by compressive forces (analagous to hail). Use softer media (list examples): 55 grit silica-based media.
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Can be done, but must be cautious. Use a small sandblaster, or a sandblaster set on low (expand on this: distance, angle, etc.).
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*Can sandblasting "increase" rust? Or, if the rust is removed and the metal is sealed, shouldn't it be eliminated? Some thoughts on this are:
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**Although sandblasting may appear to have removed all the rust to the naked eye, it hasn't really done so.
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**It's caused by water in the air compressor line, as sand will harbor some moisture. Also, compressed air contains moisture. And, sand has salt in it. A moisture trap in the line should solve the problem with the water in the air line.
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*Many panels have seams, hems, and bends that are inaccessible by blasting, and can hold moisture and rust.
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*Body panels can be sand blasted. However, it must be done carefully (explain). The pressure of the sand hitting the body panels causes warpage.
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*One option is to use chemical paint stripper, then use a sandblaster to lightly "dust" the remaining rust.
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*Media blasting can remove good metal from body panels too. Also, used media can have metal particles left in the media.
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*Soda blasting can remove light rust, and won't warp panels.
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_sand Sugar sand] is finer and less-damaging than regular sand.
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*For cleaning in seams, a spot blaster is recommended.
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* Take precautions with proper safety equipment (list it here)
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Need more info on the numerous types of media, which ones are recommended for what, cost, availability, etc.
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==Chemical removal of rust==
 
chemical removal -- spray/paint on, plus soaking
 
chemical removal -- spray/paint on, plus soaking
  
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list encapsulators here
 
list encapsulators here
  
 
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==Removing rust from body panels==
===Removing pitted rust===
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===Removing rust in seams===
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how to go from rust to epoxy -- what are the exact steps involved?
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electrolysis?
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===What's the "best" way to handle body rust?===
 
===What's the "best" way to handle body rust?===
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*'''If you're dealing with a complete vehicle body with rust, have it commercially dipped.'''
 
*'''If you're dealing with a complete vehicle body with rust, have it commercially dipped.'''
 
===Media blasting rust===
 
*Sand is not recommended for media blasting panels. It acts like little hammers, warping panels with by compressive forces (analagous to hail). Use softer media (list examples): 55 grit silica-based media.
 
Can be done, but must be cautious. Use a small sandblaster, or a sandblaster set on low (expand on this: distance, angle, etc.).
 
*Can sandblasting "increase" rust? Or, if the rust is removed and the metal is sealed, shouldn't it be eliminated? Some thoughts on this are:
 
**Although sandblasting may appear to have removed all the rust to the naked eye, it hasn't really done so.
 
**It's caused by water in the air compressor line, as sand will harbor some moisture. Also, compressed air contains moisture. And, sand has salt in it. A moisture trap in the line should solve the problem with the water in the air line.
 
*Many panels have seams, hems, and bends that are inaccessible by blasting, and can hold moisture and rust.
 
*Body panels can be sand blasted. However, it must be done carefully (explain). The pressure of the sand hitting the body panels causes warpage.
 
*One option is to use chemical paint stripper, then use a sandblaster to lightly "dust" the remaining rust.
 
*Media blasting can remove good metal from body panels too. Also, used media can have metal particles left in the media.
 
*Soda blasting can remove light rust, and won't warp panels.
 
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_sand Sugar sand] is finer and less-damaging than regular sand.
 
*For cleaning in seams, a spot blaster is recommended.
 
* Take precautions with proper safety equipment (list it here)
 
 
 
Need more info on the numerous types of media, which ones are recommended for what, cost, availability, etc.
 
  
 
===Accessing rust between interior panels===
 
===Accessing rust between interior panels===
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Turn panels around to slosh rust remover around. Blow compressed air inside the panel.
 
Turn panels around to slosh rust remover around. Blow compressed air inside the panel.
  
===Dealing with seams===
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===Removing pitted rust===
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===Removing rust in seams===
 
Spot blaster is useful.
 
Spot blaster is useful.
  
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Products:
 
Products:
 
#[http://sem.ws/product.php?product_id=97 SEM High Build Self Leveling Seam Sealer]
 
#[http://sem.ws/product.php?product_id=97 SEM High Build Self Leveling Seam Sealer]
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#Weld-Through Primer: a zinc-rich coating that conducts current from a welder. It can provide protection on lap welds and inner weld seams. As a general rule, weld-through primer is applied to the mating areas when welding body panels. List a few commercially available weld-through primers here. 3M, U-Pol, etc. It doesn't burn off when welding.
 
#Weld-Through Primer: a zinc-rich coating that conducts current from a welder. It can provide protection on lap welds and inner weld seams. As a general rule, weld-through primer is applied to the mating areas when welding body panels. List a few commercially available weld-through primers here. 3M, U-Pol, etc. It doesn't burn off when welding.
  
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Research this.
 
Research this.
  
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==Miscellaneous==
 
===Cleaning light surface rust off crankshaft===
 
===Cleaning light surface rust off crankshaft===
 
Have a machine shop do it, or:
 
Have a machine shop do it, or:

Revision as of 15:43, 24 June 2007

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