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===Stroke===  
 
===Stroke===  
(Stroke can be measured through spark plug hole if it will turn.)
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(Stroke can be measured through spark plug hole if the engine will turn over.)
  
1968-'74 472, 77-'79 425, '80-'85 368: 4.060" (less than 4 1/8")
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1968-'74 472, 1977-'79 425, 1980-'85 368: 4.060" (less than 4 1/8")
  
 
1970-'76 500: 4.300" (more than 4 1/4")
 
1970-'76 500: 4.300" (more than 4 1/4")
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===Heads===
 
===Heads===
The biggest gains in power output come with cylinder head work. Pre-'74 heads are small chamber 76 cc's and are good for around 12-13 to 1 compression when a flat top piston is fitted. Race gas, alcohol or propane fuel must be used. The '74 and later open chamber heads have 120 cc chambers giving compression ratios of 7.5-9 to 1 depending on the piston used. The 1977-'79 425 heads have 108cc chambers giving about 10:1 compression ratio depending on the piston used. The 425 heads have restricted air flow due to their port design making them the least desirable for modification. The head gasket is different as well.  Big gains can be made by adding larger valves. The valve sizes can be boosted to 2.19"/1.84" without worry of hitting the water jackets. The usual porting, valve unshrouding and minor bowl modifications will work, although the short-side radius should be left alone to avoid drastic differences in airflow. Roughly 20 hp can be gained by this work alone and most of that comes from the larger valves.
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The biggest gains in power output come with cylinder head work. Pre-1974 heads are small chamber 76 cc's and are good for around 12-13 to 1 compression when a flat top piston is fitted. Race gas, alcohol or propane fuel must be used. The 1974 and later open chamber heads have 120 cc chambers giving compression ratios of 7.5-9 to 1 depending on the piston used. The 1977-'79 425 heads have 108cc chambers giving about 10:1 compression ratio depending on the piston used. The 425 heads have restricted air flow due to their port design making them the least desirable for modification. The head gasket is different as well.  Big gains can be made by adding larger valves. The valve sizes can be boosted to 2.19"/1.84" without worry of hitting the water jackets. The usual porting, valve unshrouding and minor bowl modifications will work, although the short-side radius should be left alone to avoid drastic differences in airflow. Roughly 20 hp can be gained by this work alone and most of that comes from the larger valves.
  
 
===Block===
 
===Block===
Blocks should get the standard deburring. A drain hole can be drilled into the rear of the lifter valley for better oil drain back and a spillway can be added to the oval hole at the front of the block to better lubricate the timing chain and the camshaft thrust face. Incidentally, a later block has 1/2 inch oil galleries for increased flow through the block, so it makes a good performance base. If the front cover has [[rust]] pitting from the water pump, it can be saved by [[sandblasting]] and filling the [[Pitted rust|pits]] with JB Weld and then painting. One more thing about blocks, a 472 can be made into a 500 by swapping in the 500 crank and pistons, although on 1968-69 engines, a slight amount of notching is necessary at the bottom of the cylinder bores.
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Blocks should get the standard deburring. A drain hole can be drilled into the rear of the lifter valley for better oil drain back and a spillway can be added to the oval hole at the front of the block to better lubricate the timing chain and the camshaft thrust face. Incidentally, a later block has 1/2 inch oil galleries for increased flow through the block, so it makes a good performance base. If the front cover has [[rust]] pitting from the water pump, it can be saved by [[sandblasting]] and filling the [[Pitted rust|pits]] with JB Weld and then painting. One more thing about blocks, a 472 can be made into a 500 by swapping in the 500 crank and pistons, although on 1968-'69 engines, a slight amount of notching is necessary at the bottom of the cylinder bores.
  
 
===High performance tolerances===
 
===High performance tolerances===
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*'''TH350'''
 
*'''TH350'''
  
Some TH350 transmissions came with steel transmission cases in older military tanks and trucks; they would be best for mondo horsepower applications such as 1500+ hp cad engines. It's fairly easy to build a 2000 hp twin turbo Cad with 35 pounds of boost at 7 to 1 compression on alcohol. It's said the block can take it, but the cast crank might not be able to.
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Some TH350 transmissions came with steel transmission cases in older military tanks and trucks; they would be best for mondo horsepower applications such as 1500+ hp cad engines. It's fairly easy to build a 2000 hp twin turbo Cad with 35 pounds of boost at 7:1 compression on alcohol. It's said the block can take it, but the cast crank might not be able to.
  
 
*'''TH400'''
 
*'''TH400'''
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The 700R4/4L60/4L80E can be a good transmission to use on the Cadillac 472 and 500, due to the fact that you can run 4.11 gears and not over rev the engine with the over drive 4th gear.  
 
The 700R4/4L60/4L80E can be a good transmission to use on the Cadillac 472 and 500, due to the fact that you can run 4.11 gears and not over rev the engine with the over drive 4th gear.  
  
The 4L80E is a good transmission to use on the Cadillac 472 and 500, due to the strength of the 4L80E. The 4L80E normally requires a stand alone controller for automatic shifting and pressure controls. With a price tag of a CPU controller at $600.00 and higher, it's not a inexpensive swap. For those who want the strength of a 4L80E without the need for an electrical controller, there is the [http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L80E.htm Quadzilla] for around $3400.00.   
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The 4L80E is a good transmission to use on the Cadillac 472 and 500, due to the strength of the 4L80E. The 4L80E normally requires a stand alone controller for automatic shifting and pressure controls. With a price tag of a CPU controller at $600.00 and higher, it's not a inexpensive swap.  
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*The following are for comparison's sake and aren't recommendations, per se. As with any large expenditure, research before spending!
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For those who want the strength of a 4L80E without the need for an electrical controller, there is the [http://www.transmissioncenter.net/4L80E.htm Quadzilla] for around $3400.00.   
 
   
 
   
The [http://www.transmissioncenter.org/compushift_4l60e_4l80e.htm Compushift CPU] for the GM 4L60E/4L80E costs $1136.00. A less expensive controller is the [http://www.optishift.com/ OptiShift]; cost for it is around $600.00. For about half that amount, the [http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L60e.html MegaShift™ Transmission Controller] is available. It requires assembly and some knowledge of electrical circuitry, etc.
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The [http://www.transmissioncenter.org/compushift_4l60e_4l80e.htm Compushift CPU] for the GM 4L60E/4L80E costs about $1150.00. A less expensive controller is the [http://www.optishift.com/ OptiShift]; cost for it is around $600.00. For about half that amount, the [http://www.msgpio.com/manuals/mshift/4L60e.html MegaShift™ Transmission Controller] is available. It requires assembly and some knowledge of electrical circuitry, etc.
  
 
===Engine mounting===
 
===Engine mounting===
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===Intake manifold===
 
===Intake manifold===
Stock carbureted intake manifolds can benefit from a 1 inch spacer under the carburetor, adding around 15 hp. Because of the bathtub-type steel intake gasket, plate stock and exhaust tubing can be fabricated into a tunnel ram style dual carb manifold. You can build one of these to use a pair of Quadrajets from 4.1L Buick V-6 or 4.3L Chevy V6 engines, as two of these with straight linkage could feed the big motor quite well. The bathtub gasket can be reused by using a bit of Permatex to seal the block and head surfaces by encircling the ports to prevent an internal vacuum leak on both sides of the gasket.
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Stock carbureted intake manifolds can benefit from a 1 inch spacer under the carburetor, adding around 15 hp. Because of the bathtub-type steel intake gasket, plate stock and exhaust tubing can be fabricated into a tunnel ram style dual carb manifold. You can build one of these to use a pair of Quadrajets from 4.1L Buick V 6 or 4.3L Chevy V6 engines, as two of these with straight linkage could feed the big motor quite well. The bathtub gasket can be reused by using a bit of Permatex to seal the block and head surfaces by encircling the ports to prevent an internal vacuum leak on both sides of the gasket.
  
 
===EFI===
 
===EFI===
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The stock EFI is not very good for performance applications, it does not keep up with aftermarket cams. You need to change the fuel injectors for high flow ones, and use a fuel pump with a return line. The stock EFI will only handle approximately 300 hp max, they're hard to find replacement parts for. There were more Cadillacs made with the 800 cfm Q-jet than with EFI. And what's worse is the EFI equipped engines didn't make much more hp then the carbed versions.
 
The stock EFI is not very good for performance applications, it does not keep up with aftermarket cams. You need to change the fuel injectors for high flow ones, and use a fuel pump with a return line. The stock EFI will only handle approximately 300 hp max, they're hard to find replacement parts for. There were more Cadillacs made with the 800 cfm Q-jet than with EFI. And what's worse is the EFI equipped engines didn't make much more hp then the carbed versions.
  
===Distributors===
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===Distributor and wires===
Point-type distributors are similar to the familiar Chevy and use the same internal parts, however the internal shaft and the housing are Cadillac-specific. Ignition parts for the HEI-style distributors are also the same as the Chevy engine uses, with a few exceptions. First, like the points distributor, the shaft and housing are Cadillac only. Also, the distributor will differ between carbureted and fuel injected engines. The fuel injected distributor has a position sensor under the main body that tells the computer the engine speed and when to trigger the proper injectors. If you're not sure what distributor you have, the carbureted version looks the same as the Chevy, and the fuel injected has a square portion with a round 3-pin plug directly above the clamp area. Finally, the hold-down clamp used will depend on the distributor. They don't interchange, so get the clamp when you get the distributor. Best choice for ignition wires would be a cut-to-fit set, as even the stock ignition wire sets may not fit quite the way they should due to the front-mounted distributor location.
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Point-type distributors are similar to the familiar Chevy and use the same internal parts, however the internal shaft and the housing are Cadillac-specific. Ignition parts for the HEI-style distributors are also the same as the Chevy engine uses, with a few exceptions. First, like the points distributor, the shaft and housing are Cadillac only. Also, the distributor will differ between carbureted and fuel injected engines. The fuel injected distributor has a position sensor under the main body that tells the computer the engine speed and when to trigger the proper injectors. If you're not sure what distributor you have, the carbureted version looks similar to the Chevy distributor. The fuel injected distributor has a square portion with a round 3-pin plug directly above the clamp area. The hold-down clamp used will depend on the distributor. They don't interchange, so get the clamp when you get the distributor.  
  
Many people have complained about the Cadillac HEI distributors having too much advance. One option is to go to the Chevy distributor and cut it down to fit the Cadillac engines. Many cars, especially the GM F-body, will not allow the hood to close with the HEI distributor in place. You can cut the stock HEI unit down about 2 inches and have it clear everything if you know how to measure and cut correctly. Always reshape the end of the distributor shaft to fit into the oil pump shaft. Never cut and weld a shaft together, as it will warp it.
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Many people have complained about the Cadillac HEI distributor having too much advance. One option is to go to a modified Chevy distributor cut down to fit the Cadillac engines. Many cars, especially the GM F-body, will not allow the hood to close with the HEI distributor in place. You can cut the stock HEI unit down about 2 inches and have it clear everything if you know how to measure and cut correctly. Always reshape the end of the distributor shaft to fit into the oil pump shaft. If cutting and welding the distributor shaft, be careful to not warp it.
  
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Best choice for ignition wires would be a cut-to-fit set, as even the stock ignition wire sets may not fit quite the way they should due to the front-mounted distributor location.
  
 
==Cadillac engine parts sources==
 
==Cadillac engine parts sources==

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