Phosphoric acid as metal pretreatment

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The use of phosphoric acid-based products as metal pretreatments is controversial in hotrodding. Proponents favor its low cost and ease of use, while opponents cite the problem of acid film leading to topcoat failure.
 
 
Phosphoric acid converts [[rust]] to black ferric phosphate.
 
 
==Brands of phosphoric acid-based metal pretreatments used for automotive work==
 
*[http://ospho.com Ospho] (75% phosphoric acid)
 
 
==Naval jelly==
 
*Naval jelly contains a milder concentration of phosphoric acid than traditional liquid metal pretreatments, and is thus considered safer to use by opponents of phosphoric acid.
 
 
''need details here on exact concentrations''
 
 
==Reasons for using phosphoric acid==
 
*Inexpensive.
 
*[[Media blasting]] has its own set of drawbacks.
 
 
==Reasons for not using phosphoric acid==
 
*Metal pretreatment manufacturers are economically incentivized to recommend their products. A better point of view might be obtained from the manufacturer of the product that is destined to go on top of the pretreatment.
 
 
*Even a very low failure rate is economically disadvantageous, especially in light of the value of a professional paint job, and the labor required to fix a failure.
 
 
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''"Even though I believe I can use these products correctly I will not take such a risk when there are alternatives. It will only take 1 or 2 to put you out of business or in court."'' -- '''shine''', in [http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/ospho-factory-response-173513.html#post1234352 this post on the Hotrodders Bulletin Board].
 
</blockquote>
 
 
*A manufacturer's tech sheet may specifically advise against using an acid pretreatment. Always follow the tech sheets for the products you are using.
 
 
*Amateurs and [[First paint job|first-time painters]] are more likely to make errors. Phosphoric acid pretreatments must be used meticulously, and are thus not recommended for beginners.
 
 
==Specific paint and primer failures caused by phosphoric acid pretreatments==
 
*Bubbles of paint lifting, especially at seams.
 
*Epoxy cracking.
 
 
==Published epoxy primer and paint manufacturers' positions on the use of phosphoric acid pretreatments==
 
===Southern Polyurethanes, Inc.===
 
*[http://www.southernpolyurethanes.com/tech%20sheets%20new/epOXY%202006.pdf Southern Polyurethanes]:
 
<blockquote>
 
''"NEVER use SPI Epoxy over a Soda Blasted vehicle, Acid Etch/Wash Primer, Rust Converter or other Metal Treatments. NEVER!"''
 
</blockquote>
 
 
The owner of Southern Polyurethanes has detailed some options that '''should''' solve the phosphoric acid film problem, in [http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/ospho-factory-response-173513.html#post1235021 this post on the Hotrodders Bulletin Board].
 
 
==Use of phosphoric acid in an industrial setting==
 
 
 
 
==References==
 
*http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/ospho-factory-response-173513.html
 
*http://www.ospho.com/directions.htm
 
*http://www.ospho.com/images/2008%20MSDS.pdf
 
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphoric_acid
 

Latest revision as of 23:22, 16 January 2025

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