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Jon ... I have noticed on some edits I make to articles, there seems to be some parts of the articles that disappear without me doing it. Recent edit on "Thermostats Explained" as an example. I removed some words in ALL CAPS. A few days later I notice the listing tags at the bottom of the page had disappeared. The tags that would place the article in "good article" list and the "cooling" tag for that list, both had disappeared.

This will happen when I am on the Mac Mini with Safari browser. Crosley 22:49, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

That's strange; if you look under that page's "history" tab, there's this edit, which shows you as having fixed the all caps, and deleting the category tags. Browser glitch maybe?--Jon 22:59, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

Jon... that is the edit that caught my eye on the disappearing category tags. I would not remove the tags from an article unless it was an obvious item that needed attention. I went back later and corrected(I thought) the article till I saw cobalt327 added back another category tag

I edited an article weeks back (I forget which one)... I then recheck my edits and about 3 paragraphs had disappeared below grammar and spelling corrections I had made.

Perhaps a glitch in Mac software I guess. I am a tech idiot. Crosley 07:26, 1 October 2011 (MDT)


Jon, I appreciate your article on keeping your stove bolt in your hotrod! I purchased a 1948 chevy fleetmaster last fall. I drove it home and it is original except the orange paint. It needs some body work but it is not bad at all. I have been strugglin back and forth with keepin the stove bolt 216 or swappin out with a small block. I have wrestled with it because I plan to make this an everyday driver. It was this week infact that I decided I wanted to keep the stove bolt but It needs the babbit bearings replace and I hope to do that this winter. I need advice on how to go about it. I am working out of my garage on my home so this is a shade tree machanic here. No lifts or all the goodies found in a speed shop. I also want to go to double or triple carbs and dual exhaust. I agree this is a cool way to go but my only concern is right now is 55 mph seems to be the max this old girl wants to put out. By the way Dewey here from Iowa


Jon.. Coblat327 did some editing on the main page. The driveshaft link he added does not look correct when I clik on it. I may be incorrect and I am not gonna try any edit myself. Crosley 15:10, 29 January 2012 (MST)

OK, thanks, I fixed it. That link color is for links to pages for which there is no content. When a new category is created, if there's no text on the category page, links to it will show in that color. I added "Driveshaft articles." to that page, so now the link is the correct color.--Jon 15:52, 29 January 2012 (MST)
Jon, I thought when I finished the "Driveshaft measurements" page that it was linking to the new "Driveshaft" category correctly- I added "Category:Driveshaft" inside two brackets to the page to link it to the title page. Did I not do this correctly? I clicked on "Driveshaft" before I logged out and it was showing the "Driveshaft measurements" page then... unless that was due to what you did.
It's tricky with categories. On the wiki, you can create a link to a page by enclosing a word in double brackets. If the page already exists, the bracketed word gets turned into a link to the page, in blue link color, like this: Rust. If the page does not already exist, the bracketed word gets turned into a link to a blank page, in red color, like this: How to change your blinker fluid. You can click on the red link, and start editing a page from there (some people use this method to start a new article). For example, you can click on your username in red text on this page, and start making your user page. Now, when you start a new category, even if you put pages in the category, the category page itself is blank, so the link shows as red. So, you have to add any text to the category page, like: "Driveshaft articles.", and then links to that category will turn blue. However, the category will still work fine, even if it's a red-link. Here's another example of a page with a bunch of red, undeveloped links: Quadrajet.--Jon 11:10, 30 January 2012 (MST)

Using this talk page

BTW- Would it be better to add new responses to this page at the top so it would be the first seen, or continue to add to the bottom, or does this page get refreshed every so often?

And should I even be using this page or is there a preferred way of messaging you other than this page?--Cobalt327 05:09, 30 January 2012 (MST)

This is the preferred method of messaging me about wiki issues. I get a notification when someone alters my talk page, so it's easy to stay updated.--Jon 11:03, 30 January 2012 (MST)


Jon- I created this page- Six cylinder engine parts and sites. I then saw a similar page on Chevy engines exists already (I had even contributed to it): Chevrolet and GMC Inline / Straight 6 Engines: Guides and Resources. The websites linked to are now the same in both, even though several have info on engines other than GM. Up to you if the newest page should remain.

BTW, why do the two links above appear differently? The second link lacks the arrow icon thingy plus has a space after the link before the period that I didn't put there. Odd...--Cobalt327 07:06, 1 February 2012 (MST)

It looks to me like we should scrap Six cylinder engine parts and info sites. Regarding links, the arrow indicates an "external" link, that points to an external website. However, in this case, the "external" website is the wiki itself. The reason is that you can link to any page on the web in a wiki article, just by enclosing the url and the link text in single brackets, like this:
[http://www.google.com Google] becomes: Google.
You can even use this same syntax to link to a wiki page, so this: [http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/Rust Rust] becomes this: Rust.
However, when linking to articles on the wiki, you can just enclose the article name in double-brackets, like this: [[Rust]], which turns into this: Rust. So, for links within the wiki, use the double brackets. All other links use the single bracket method. See Help:Links for more details.---Jon 11:19, 1 February 2012 (MST)

Sounds OK to me, thanks.--Cobalt327 14:56, 1 February 2012 (MST)


Consolidating similar subjects within a category

Regarding a proposed 'Camshaft' article:

There's already a couple pages pertaining to some part of camshafts (Cam and compression ratio compatibility and Camshaft install tips and tricks) under the 'Engine' category.

I want to do an article with an overview of how the camshaft works, along info on the different types of cams and why they came to be, etc.

My question is, should this be a new category like what was done with 'Quadrajet carburetor', or should it be a page in 'Engine' like the two pages I mentioned above?

Or is there a way to use a bullet list in the different categories, i.e.:

(Engine category, under "C")

  • Camshaft page (either as a page containing the info I mentioned above like 'How the cam works', 'Types of cams', etc., or just used as a title with the actual pages below this not-linked title)
    • Cam and compression ratio compatibility page
    • Camshaft install tips and tricks page
    • Et cetera?

There are other instances where this could put pages on a similar subject together under a heading- like :

  • RPO codes (containing an overview and possibly other info)
    • GM RPO build codes
    • General Motors build codes
    • More GM RPO codes

There are actually many subjects that could be done this way, like firing orders of various engines that are listed separately, valve train components that are listed separately, reciprocating assembly components that are listed separately, etc.

I would have tried this out on one subject to see what it looked like and how it performed, but I seem to be unable to edit the list of pages in the individual categories like 'Engine', etc. --Cobalt327 20:45, 18 February 2012 (MST)

I would just do it with subcategories. A category can be placed in a category, just like a page. If we have 3 camshaft articles, then that's enough to start a subcategory under Engine. Keep in mind that it's not carved in stone; we can easily adjust and re-categorize as necessary, and as the article base grows. The list of pages in individual categories is created automatically, and isn't normally editable. If you add a page to a category, it will appear in that list. If you add a category to a category, it will appear as a subcategory in that category. So, in this case, just add [[Category:Camshaft]] at the bottom of one of the camshaft articles. Then, click on the category link for Camshaft at the bottom of the resulting saved page. On that page, add [[Category:Engine]] at the bottom.--Jon 21:00, 18 February 2012 (MST)
Will the pages still remain visible in [[Category:Engine]] even if they are also used in a subcategory?--Cobalt327 22:50, 18 February 2012 (MST)
OK, I see now what happens, and good that the pages are still visible under the Engine category as well as being contained in the subcategory. Thanks for your time.--Cobalt327 22:59, 18 February 2012 (MST)

Editing Article categories on Main page

I was thinking about editing the categories to be seen as an alphabetized list instead of listed in a sentence as seen here.

What are your thoughts on this?

Ideally if this were to be done, there would be two or more columns so the entire list could be seen w/o scrolling. I have been unsuccessful finding a way to format it in this fashion- and I spent some considerable time and effort looking into it.

Is there an easy way to have multiple columns on a page? Is there a way to alphabetize a list other than to do it "long hand", i.e.

==B==

*Body and exterior

*Brakes

et cetera?--Cobalt327 19:19, 24 February 2012 (MST)

I imagine this is possible; but not sure exactly how we'd best accomplish it on this wiki. I'll think about this.--Jon 19:58, 25 February 2012 (MST)


Wanting to list a PDF file or a link in a Wiki?

Jon, Went brain dead, I want to add a PDF file link to an article but can't remember how to do it. I know you sent it to me before but can't find out how to do it. Would you mind refreshing my brain and give me a how-to? Thanks, ED.

First, upload it. Then, you can link to it like this: [[Media:Filenamehere.pdf]]. If you're not sure of the copyright status of the pdf file, you can always just link to it like normal, without having to upload it to the wiki server.--Jon 22:18, 25 February 2012 (MST)

Redirect

I tried (unsuccessfully) to redirect an unwanted article title (or to be rid of it by whatever means) in the Brakes category. The article title I'd like gone (if this is possible) is Pressure brake bleeder set-up. I'd appreciate any help w/this.--Cobalt327 22:17, 28 February 2012 (MST)

OK, I deleted it.--Jon 22:43, 28 February 2012 (MST)

Incorrect listing

Noticed the article Building a 340 Buick engine is listed under “I”, not “B” in the Engines category.--Cobalt327 14:22, 4 March 2012 (MST)

Very weird. Looks like a bug relating to the fact that the article's original title did begin with an "I". Anyway, I deleted it; there was no content there.--Jon 15:09, 4 March 2012 (MST)

Templates

Is there a need for a template, "Needs confirmation", or is it better to add it (without it being a template) in parentheses or brackets at the end of the passage or item in question like has been the practice in the past? I'm talking about a template that would be added right after the sentence or paragraph in question rather than a template that was like {{needspics}} that flags an entire article. I'm sure you've seen this used in the Wikipedia before, like seen here, under Examples]. Also, I saw the page 'Most linked-to templates' that has quite a few templates, but is there a complete list available?--Cobalt327 05:30, 5 March 2012 (MST)

Recent changes tracking options

I'm unable to see changes made longer than 13 days ago. This is with having selected "Show last 500 changes in last 30 days", as well as hiding minor changes and hiding my own changes. Do you see the same thing?

I see the same thing. My guess is that we're hitting a limit of 500 changes, and that the page refuses to display more.--Jon 10:10, 5 March 2012 (MST)

Templates II

Is there a list of templates available, like are used in articles that are "works in progress" (like {{Youcanedit}}, etc.)?--Cobalt327 20:13, 8 March 2012 (MST)

All template names are preceded by Template:. So you can search for Template: and they'll all come up. You can also make a template if you like. Just start a new article, whose title begins with Template:. So, if you start a new article titled Template:whatever, and save it, then you can insert that template into an article by typing {{whatever}}--Jon 21:48, 8 March 2012 (MST)

Category lists

On the left side of all wiki pages there is no listing for Quadrajet carburetors under categories , the listing for it only appears on the Main Page. Can you correct this?--Cobalt327 09:20, 15 March 2012 (MDT)

Yes, I can correct that easily, that's set manually. Are we sure that we want that category listed there? Those are generally our main categories. If Quadrajet goes there, then there's justification to put various other categories there too--Jon 10:22, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
If I had it to do over, I'd have subcategorized Q-jet carbs within the Engine category. Or I'd have used Carburetors as the category instead of Quadrajet carburetors. If possible, remove Rochester carburetors from the Main Page categories, and I'll just subcategorize it (could I just remove the Quadrajet carburetors category from the Main Page, along w/the directs to it from the Q-jet pages?).--Cobalt327 10:35, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
You should be able to alter the category structure to your liking (and then easily re-alter in the future). I'm not seeing the Quadrajet carburetors category on the main page. Of course there's no perfect categorization paradigm; we'll probably alter and tweak the categories forever. Also, the lower images on the homepage look weird. Almost as if they're smaller images, enlarged.--Jon 11:24, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
I had probably already removed Quadrajet carburetors from the categories on the Main Page by the time you looked for it- it was there. I subcategorized Carburetors in the Engine category, then subbed Quadrajet carburetors to Carburetors. Looks OK like that to me. All the carb articles are still in the Engine category excepting the Q-jet articles. If need be I can easily return them all to the Engine category along w/having them subbed, but my thoughts were to keep it as-is for now and see what it "feels" like after a few days.--Cobalt327 12:16, 15 March 2012 (MDT)
Sounds good. The category structure on a very active wiki will be constantly in flux.--Jon 14:42, 15 March 2012 (MDT)

Images on Main Page

As for the lower row of images, strange they look distorted to you. Looks fine on my end, but I'll put them back as they were before. Are the top row of images OK?--Cobalt327 14:22, 15 March 2012 (MDT)

Alright, I think I know what happened. I had made those images a while back specifically for the homepage (not exactly sure why; possibly some formatting issue), and they're only ~112px tall: http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/images/4/49/Homethumb2.jpg . When they get stretched beyond that, they start to look strange. Yes, top row looks fine.--Jon 14:40, 15 March 2012 (MDT)

Spam

I ran across a bit of spam in Freeing a stuck engine by user 27.126.152.82. All I did was undo revision 21208 to revert to previous version before I edited the article. Don't know if this gets this user "the boot" or what, but thought I'd mention it.--Cobalt327 02:00, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

Sounds fine. Don't forget there's a difference between a revert (roll back to an exact, historical version), and an undo (undo specific changes). An undo isn't always possible or feasible.--Jon 11:36, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
"Undo" wasn't a wiki reference, per se. It was simply what I (thought) I did when I reverted back to a previous version. Make sense?--Cobalt327 19:15, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
Ah, got it, thanks.--Jon 19:38, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

Articles to feature in newsletter and carousels

Not as easy as I had first thought. Here are two that might work, but I'll keep looking into this. In the meantime, the first two are relatively recent:

The second pair are good articles IMHO, not that new though:

Here are a few more to consider:
--Cobalt327 22:08, 18 March 2012 (MDT)
And
Also
I've finished going through the pages in the Best articles category. The above articles are at this time what I'd consider the most eligeble. Do you want to continue adding to this as articles are submitted/edited?--Cobalt327 04:07, 27 March 2012 (MDT)
Yes, definitely continue adding. I've already featured some of the above, and many of them are older articles. I'm looking for something fresh, with good pics.--Jon 10:21, 27 March 2012 (MDT)

File list use guidelines

Where can I find guidelines for using files that have been previously uploaded by other members (specifically, images)? So far I've been contacting active members through the Hotrodders forum PM system.--Cobalt327 11:46, 28 March 2012 (MDT)

What specifically are you trying to find out?--Jon 13:19, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
If permission is needed before using an image and if so how to best go about getting it.--Cobalt327 13:26, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
I would think you're probably good to go. If an image was uploaded to the wiki, and its copyright status is legitimate, it should be fine to use it in any article (I'm sure you've noticed on Wikipedia how the same images are used in different articles). What's the image?--Jon 13:41, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
Sanding blocks, I used it in the buffing article its now linked to. BTW, I already contacted Irelands child for permission, which he gave...--Cobalt327 13:57, 28 March 2012 (MDT)
OK, I think that's fine.--Jon 16:37, 30 March 2012 (MDT)

Suspicious file

Ran across this file in my travels...Spam?--Cobalt327 14:52, 31 March 2012 (MDT)

Yes, thanks, deleted it.--Jon 21:11, 31 March 2012 (MDT)

Deleting images

I have some images I want to delete (duplicates, a couple that have copyright issues, some that were uploaded w/o proper formatting on my end, etc.). I do not see a way to do this, can you point me to where I can find info on this?--Cobalt327 13:46, 1 April 2012 (MDT)

Using _NOTOC_

Does not remove the table of contents when I use it, any idea why that is?--Cobalt327 21:57, 1 April 2012 (MDT)

Cobalt327 Discussion

Jon, how much open discussion do you want to have here on the record?

I feel Cobalt327 is trying exert authority he does not have and never will. My bad


Cobalt327 the HR.com offender?

Cobalt treated me so poorly on HR.com and called me the "worse" moderator he had ever seen on any forum. That is part of where my distrust for him comes from.

Cobalt should have been suspended multiple times for his method of treating members on HR.com, he was not. Cobalt would edit out his inflammatory posts. The 'edit' time limit was shortened by Jon. Who complained the loudest? Cobalt327.

Why was Cobalt not suspended? The answer given by many involved in the discussion; Because Cobalt327 contributes enough good tech info from internet search engines. . Another answer provided was; coblat327 provides a 'useful service'

Cobalt comes to Crankshaft Wiki

After what seemed to be paranoid thoughts , impressions or something on the Crankshaft Wiki (here in referred to as the Wiki)... Cobalt327 joins and proceeds forward. Soon he provides his extensive internet search engine knowledge to the Wiki

Soon Cobalt and Crosley butt heads

Primarily on the T-350 Rebuild Tech article. Cobalt altered the T-350 Rebuild thread name. This cancels links Crosley has in place on sites. Cobalt adds incorrect information or fotos. Crosley corrects. Cobalts corrects Crosley edits, Crosley not happy. Cobalt adds non rebuild tech stuff. Crosley removes it. Cobalt 327 not(unknown) happy? Crosley does not care. Cobalt327 may not care either.

Cobalt327 adds signature for Crosley

On the the talk page : T-350 Rebuild Talk Cobalt has now added my signature to a location I did not add. I concider that a gross personal violation.

Cobalt group hug

Also on the same T-350 Rebuild Talk page Cobalt posts; "There is no need for continued animosity. I again will say that I'm willing to put the past behind us in an effort to maintain a decent working relationship. That's all I can do, the rest is up to you" Crosley's answer is : Well, of course the worse offender always wants to "put things behind us"  ;-)

Cobalt points out more mistakes Crosley made

Also in the T-350 Talk page: Cobalt posts and links to the "Help " pages on editing Talk discussion. Crosley found this:

Delete discussions when they are out-of-date;Discussions can often get left lying around on a talk page long after the issue is no longer relevant. It's usually a good idea to reply to saying "I think this is now resolved", but sooner or later it's time to just blow away the old discussions (they are of course preserved in the editing history).

Crosley edited out old discussion. Crosley was trying to move on. The article by Jake is so diluted in the current article. Jakes article was a performance build and incomplete. I modified the article to a generic T-350 rebuild. Crosley thought that was the point of a Wiki. A constant update - improvement of the article.

Crosley added comments on the "talk page" of the T-350 article about Jakes OE article as inspiration for the current Wiki article as suggested by Jon... Cobalt altered the talk page again, the method of the Wiki. LOL

Why keep old fotos when article is updated?

I deleted old photos. Why maintain the old photos on server space that someone has to pay $ for ? When does "long enough" apply to maintaining old information?

Cobalt327 reloads fotos

I knew cobalt would reload the old fotos. I enjoy providing him the avenue for tasks, I guess. My bad... does that comment 'my bad' , make it all OK?  ;-)

Dont delete Cobalt's fotos

Coblat327 asks me to not delete any photos he uploaded. I have not to my knowledge. Even the incorrect photos Cobalt placed in the T-350 Rebuild Tech article with powerglide parts shown. I did not delete that foto as I recall. Cobalt327 does not even know what he posts on some articles.

Cobalt and terminology

Bell Housing or bellhousing? Rear end or rearend? TH350 or THM 350 or T-350? A fellow I know still calls a T-400 an AT-400. A term long lost on most folks.

Cobalt repackages internet search info

Cobalt327 gathers internet info, repackages it, he becomes a hero. In my eyes cobalt327 is a zero, not to be trusted.

Cobalt327 is NOT a dumb ass

With people like Cobalt327 editing Wiki articles, that explains why so many folks do not trust Wiki information. When Crosley jumped on the internet in late 1996 (what little existed) ... Crosley had the foolish idea I could stop or slow down the incorrect information on the web on the subject of automatic transmissions. With people like Cobalt327 that regurgitate any information on all subjects, the cycle will continue forever. Dont mistake my words here for a blanket statement that Cobalt327 is a complete dumb ass, I am sure he is not an unmitigated dumb ass.

OH My Gosh

OH, let me apologize to Cobalt327 (LOL) since I am sure I did not type his full user name correctly each time, I did not space correctly, I did not capitalize correctly, I did not link each spot correctly, I did not punctuate correctly, I did not catch all mis-speeled words, I did not 'do things' as others do on other Wiki sites, did I mention extra spaces?, and his OCD will point that out in a longer response with more bold text than I used since he has to do more at anything than others have before him.

I figure I forgot a few items, Cobalt327 will correct me. I apologize again if I forgot something. If I do not remember forgetting, does it still count as forgetful?

I add signature before Cobalt does it for me

oh hell, I will sign this message before cobalt327 signs it for me. Crosley 22:02, 2 April 2012 (MDT)

I added some extra spaces to

To clarify, yes, I want this discussed in the open, as well as any future conflicts between yourselves or among any other wiki editors. I don't yet have a specific resolution to the above conflict, but I will consider how to move forward.--Jon 12:27, 5 April 2012 (MDT)

Regarding signatures

From Wikipedia:Signatures, When signatures should and should not be used: Any posts made to the user talk pages, article talk pages and any other discussion pages must be signed.

From Wikipedia Talk page guidelines, Editing comments; Attributing unsigned comments: You are allowed to append attribution (which can be retrieved from the page history) to the end of someone's comment if they have failed to sign it.--Cobalt327 00:36, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

Proposed move of Crosley discussion/commentary

Jon, a more appropriate place for this discussion might be HERE. If you agree let me know or just move it over there yourself. If you think this discussion belongs here on your talk page, then that’s OK, too.--Cobalt327 02:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

Here is fine. As I see it, one or both of you guys are appealing to me for assistance in resolving a conflict. I'm not ignoring this...--Jon 12:13, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
My opinion on deleting images is HERE. My take on the rest is that it's largely personal opinions- some of events that occurred long ago. I've found that trying to change someone's perception of events is largely an unsuccessful pursuit. I have stated my wishes to work as a team twice now, at this juncture I'm not inclined to respond further.--Cobalt327 15:51, 5 April 2012 (MDT)

Odd page displayed after saving a page

Every time I save a page, I'm getting error message/pages. I'm also being prompted to answer the spam prevention question- even when no external link is being saved. Anyway, the screenshots below is what appears after a save (the saves have been successful even though error messages are displayed). When a file uploaded or an edited page is saved, if the page is refreshed after the error message page comes up, this prompts another file or page save identical to the one just made. That's why there are several identical "File:400steam holes deck.jpg" images and Q-jet rebuild article pages uploaded one after another. Obviously, duplicates can be deleted (I don't seem to be able to do that myself, sorry).--Cobalt327 18:56, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

Links to screenshots of the error message pages:
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_error_page_after_saving_edited_article.jpg
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_after_file_upload.jpg
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/File:Screenshot_error_page.jpg
--Cobalt327 08:16, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
Thanks, I can confirm that I'm seeing these sorts of errors too. Working on it...--Jon 12:15, 5 April 2012 (MDT)
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